Sunday, October 16, 2011

"The Orphans" as a Team Name? Really?!

Did you know that Centralia (Illinois) High School's mascot/team name is the Orphans?  Oh, and the girls' teams are the Orphan Annies? (Yes, the picture above comes from an Orphans game. With the kids holding the signs, it looks like it could have come from some adopt-an-orphan rally, doesn't it?)

Says Wikipedia:
The Orphans got their unique nickname during the early 1900s, when the boys basketball team made it to the state tournament. The school was low on funds at the time, and the team was forced to pick its uniforms from a pile of non-matching red uniforms. The team made it to the state tournament, where an announcer commented that the team looked like a bunch of orphans on the court. The name stuck.
So what do you think?  Where does this one rank among offensive sports teams' names (assuming it makes the list at all)?  Consider this article, The Dark Side Of Sports Symbols - racism and sexism of names, symbols, gestures, and mascots:
A school's nickname is much more than a tag or a label. It conveys, symbolically, the characteristics and attributes that define the institution. In an important way, the symbols represent the institution's self-concept. Schools may have names that signify their ethnic heritage (e.g., the Bethany College Swedes), state history (University of Oklahoma Sooners), religion (Oklahoma Baptist College Prophets), or founder (Whittier College Poets). Most, though, utilize symbols of aggression and ferocity for their athletic teams--birds such as hawks, animals such as bulldogs, human categories such as pirates, and even the otherworldly such as devils.

Although school names and other symbols evoke strong emotions of solidarity among followers, there is also a potential dark side to their use. The names, mascots, logos, and flags chosen may be derogatory to some group. The symbols may dismiss, differentiate, demean, and trivialize marginalized groups such as African-Americans, Native Americans, and women. Thus, they serve to maintain the dominant status of powerful groups and subordinate those categorized as "others." That may not have been the intent of those who decided on the names and mascots for a particular school, but their use diminishes these "others," retaining the racial and gender inequities found in the larger society. School symbols as used in sports, then, have power not only to maintain in-group solidarity, but to separate the in-group from the out-group and perpetuate the hierarchy between them.
Reactions? Sure, I can make a "positive" argument for the name, a kind of "we're all orphans" argument.  (I'm a lawyer, I can make a pretty good argument for just about anything!)  But given the origin of the name and the Little Orphan Annie (how about a two-fer there, sexist and offensive to adoptees?) reference, the stronger argument is that the name reinforces all kinds of stereotypes about poor, helpless, unwanted orphans that perpetuate the whole "be grateful" meme that adoptees suffer under. 

No, it's not the most serious offense against adoptees I've ever seen, but does it have to be before we remark upon it?  Again, consider this argument from the article about racist and sexist team names:
Many see the naming issue as trivial. It is not trivial, though, to the group being demeaned, degraded, and trivialized. Some progressives argue that there are more important issues to address than changing racist or sexist names of athletic teams. This illustrates the contradiction that the naming of teams is at once trivial and important. For African-Americans, whether the University of Mississippi fans sing "Dixie" and wave the Confederate flag is not as important as ending discrimination and obtaining good jobs. Similarly, for Native Americans, the derogatory use of their heritage surrounding athletic contests is relatively unimportant compared to raising their standard of living. For women, the sexist naming of athletic teams is not as significant as pay equity, breaking the "glass ceiling," or achieving equity with men in athletic departments in resources, scholarships, and media attention.

Faced with a choice among these options, the naming issue would be secondary, but this sets up a false choice. We can work to remove all manifestations of racism and sexism on college campuses.

* * *

Symbols are extremely compelling in the messages they convey. Their importance is understood when rebellious groups demean or defame symbols of the powerful, such as the flag. Names and other symbols have the power to elevate or put down a group. If racist or sexist, they reinforce and, therefore, maintain the secondary status of African-Americans, Native Americans, or women through stereotyping, caricature, derogation, trivialization, diminution, or making them invisible. Most of us, however, fail to see the problem with symbols that demean or defame the powerless because these symbols support the existing power arrangements in society. Despite their apparent triviality, the symbols surrounding sports teams are important because they can--and often do--contribute to patterns of social dominance.
And if team names are so trivial, then it shouldn't be any problem to change them, right?!  And look how upset people get when you suggest that the Washington Redskins should change their name.  Or when a Southern school is asked to stop waving that Confederate flag around.  Suddenly it doesn't look so trivial then, does it?

So, any adoptees, birth parents, or adoptive parents from Centralia High School out there?  What do you think?  Who wants to start a petition to change the name?!

295 comments:

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RevRunyon said...

As someone who sponsors children through Compassion International and a pastor that is sponsoring an adoption Sunday I understand the role of the term "orphan." However, as someone that grew up in Centralia IL and has lived in other communities in Illinois and Kentucky, I am very proud of our Orphan and Orphan Annies Mascot. If you are not from Centralia it is hard to understand. How is it possible for anyone to say something is offensive when you don't understand it. I doubt traveling to Centralia would change your mind. Because my guess is you would come here with a closed mind. Which is exactly the way we feel about changing the name. Truthfully we could find offense with just about every mascot name if we wanted to. In our area there is also Indians, Midgets, Vandals, Commanches, Trojans, Red Devils, Warriors, and Rascals. All of which we could find someone who finds these names offensive. Let us focus on the real problems in the world like world hunger, clean drinking water, sex slave trade, and poverty. Let us have our Orphans and Annies. In Centralia they are dearly loved. Isn't that what we want for everyone?

Anonymous said...

Although I no longer live in Centralia, I am a graduate from "71 and come from a long line of family members that were and are "proud Orphans". I find the whole concept of this article "hilarious" and hope the good "Orphan" supporters do not let a "few disgruntled" people change the name. I even wore my "Centralia Orphans" sweatshirt to work last Sat in support of the HS football team that played for state championship,,, GO Orphans and Annies..... what a cool name!

Alie V. said...

I am a current Centralia High School student and proud to be an orphan! The annie name for the girls teams came from a favorite coach, not from a musical. The school has a legacy and a legitimate reason for the name why change it after nearly a hundred years of use? It is a matter of loyalty to the school and it means no offense to any orphans. It is just a name.

Anonymous said...

Pretty soon you'll say a team can't be named the bears or the hawks becuase it's offensive to animals.

Anonymous said...

Proud class of 82 graduate here - for real? While I completely understand the need for attention to those children who were abandoned - due to war, death, or whatever reason - I do not see what this blog entry is hoping to accomplish. There is a very proud tradition behind the CHS Orphans and I can't see how this detracts at all for the cause or should cause anyone to take offense.

Anonymous said...

Cassie, CHS Class of 1988.

If people like you spent half as much time preparing a financial plan to repair the world economy or even just minding your own business the world would be a MUCH better place to live. You have ruled out using animal names and "other worldly" names and such, so what would you have us call ourselves? Our team aquired that "awful" nickname through hard work and determination, thank you very much. One other thing, you forgot to mention that the game where that "terrible moniker" was aquired was a state championship game--and those boys won it!

I'll tell you what lady...you mind your own business and take care of your poor, pitiful orphans that you adopted and we'll take care of ourselves. We're all Orphans, and we're all one big, happy "family".

Foltzie said...

Alex Foltz, CHS class of 2002. I'll leave my name in case you want to stalk me, I'm willing to talk more about this with you if you like.

Just an observation. As someone who stands up for orphans through your blog, why is it that at least 6 orphaned Centralia Orphans have commented they were not offended, yet you ignored those orphans voice each time. Very ironic.
Not to mention the other people who have come into this forum stating that they are or know someone who is an orphan, and they are not offended. Why do you ignore these orphans views?

Thanks

ProudOrphan Annie and future Orphan MOM!! said...

Melinda, I have spent alot of time sitting her reading ALL the comments trying to find your response to EVERYONE questions about why YOU have such NEGATIVE thoughts about YOUR children, or as you call them ORPHANS and there was NOTHING!!!. I really hope you are not teaching your children to think the same. You are quick to respond to someone that has nothing but positive things to say about ORPHANS. I was also looking for your response to the comment left from an ORPHAN that came to Centralia and felt they had a BIG FAMILY and was proud to be called an Orphan. Again I found NOTHING from you! I will check back im sure you just overlooked them.

susan said...

My father is 83 years old (Class of 1947)... He was put into an orphanage at 7 months old and remained there until 9 years old. An "actual real orphan"... as you stated. His time in the orphanage was horrible. Abuse in many forms. However, he was chosen by Orphan Coach A. Trout to be the model for our Orphan mascot. Coach Trout told the artists that he would give them a "True Orphan" that he (my dad) had been raised in an orphanage and was an Orphan athlete. My dad has NEVER been offended by the Orphan name and in fact is very proud and happy to have been... and to this day remain an Orphan. He said it brought/gave him good feelings and memories and not bad ones like the orphanage had. The origin: Our team had gone to a basketball tournament in Pontiac, Il. There was and ice storm and the uniforms didn't arrive. They were given uniforms that were mismatched and a Chicago announcer stated that they looked like "Orphans of the Storm" Coach Trout happened to like a movie with the same title...and since another team in our conference were called the Redbirds and we were the Cardinals at the time...he chose the Orphans as a new name to end any confusion. I would think unwanted children (orphans) would be proud to have something positive named after them...It's people like you that make it negative. They may say "don't mess with Texas"...but I will say "don't mess with the Orphans" Once an Orphan...always an OrFan! GO O...GO CHS!!! Class of 1970!

Anonymous said...

Get a life, this blog is ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

Oh, and I love how the layout of this blog just so happens to be the Centralia High School colors! good choice with the red and white :)

matt k. said...

This rant was posted with great haste and unawareness. I find it hard to take seriously, anyone who reads Wikipedia for 12 minutes and considers it research. For someone who seems to be so passionate about adoption this seems to be a fantastic waste of time. I cannot possibly know what it's like to be adopted so I will refrain from doing the "If I were adopted" thing. That being said, I would hope we could all agree that being an actual orphan as opposed to someone who's geography deemed them to be a Centralia Orphan are not at all related. I would like to refer to this as conjecture but really the author hasn't really made any legitimate points. The author feels strongly about the act of adopting but not adoption in the abstract. This post is proof of that.

Anonymous said...

As a person who talks, I find it entirey offensive that this blog uses the word "Talk" in its name. I mean really, you type and I read, and this is nothing like talking at all.

If you don't change the name of your blog by next tuesday, me and everyone else who talks is startting a class action against you because you have offended the lot of us.

Get off your high horse and get a life. Go Orphans!

Tiarra said...

Not only do I find this to be a waste of precious time (complaining about a school name, that YOU personally have no connection to), this dilemma is not usually looked down upon by most people. Until you deliberately pointed out school names that promote racism and sexism, both of which serve no relevance what-so-ever to this particular school name, this nickname seems completely innocent.
And honestly from what I have observed, this school mascot brings forth more team spirit and support, even if it was subconsciously.
As a lawyer, I hope you can learn to exercise viewing stories from both sides now on.
Sincerely, T.

Stacy said...

Are you serious!!!! My whole family went to and graduated from Centralia High School!!!! There is absolutely nothing wrong with the team name!!! Oh by the way the mascot is the sphinx, we just call ourselves the Orphans and the Annies!!! Orphans coming from, yes an announcer. Annies coming from a girls basketball coach, whose name happened to be Annie!!!! You, sir, are an idiot!!!! If you are offended by it then don't read about it or look at it. Wow!!!! Class of 2008!!! Let's Go ORPHANS!!!!!

Anonymous said...

i love being an orphan annie, and i live for this, if you dont like it, then just leave it alone, your brought this on yourself. once an orFAN, ALWAYS an orFAN! we wont be changing our name, guarantee you that!

Anonymous said...

I think this is rather funny. You wont get anywhere trying to bash the Orphans mascot. They are a nation that stick together and they don't take kindly to posts like this. The only thing promoting racism, sexism, or hurting real orphans is you making posts about this. Nobody was being racist or anything, except for you. If you must know the school is basically a melting pot with whites, blacks, orphans, and everything. Not just that, but it is a great school and deserves more respect than this.

Renee C said...

All the things going on in the world and this is something that bothers people. Get real. I graduated from Centralia High School and played two sports. I am proud to be an Orphan Annie. Our school has a rich history and is something to be proud of in our small town. So go Orphans and Annies! Oh....did I mention I am also adopted? For all the people this name bothers get a life please.

Anonymous said...

Who is to say naming a team after something is an offense? If you name a team after something it is an honor. If we were ashamed of our name or orphans in general it would have been changed years ago. I am an Orphan..class of 82. I left the town due to a job and have spent the last 20 years trying to get back here to send my own children to Centralia High School. By the way, both of my children are adopted from another country. They think it is neat that the team is named Orphans. They have no offense to it. My children have been raised to be proud of themselves and to rise above issues they face. Being an orphan is not a negative thing. People in the Bible were orphans. God chose orphans to do great things. They look forward to their adoption days when they became a part of our family as much as any holiday. They dont sit around mourning what was lost but celebrating what is and one of those things will be cheering on the Centralia Orphans.






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Anonymous said...

What a joke. ORFAN FOR LIFE

diane said...

Malinda- Next time you create a "blog" about a town or mascot name, please do credible research before assuming. We are a proud group of "ORPHANS" with a rich history. I am proud to be a Centralia Orphan and always will be. It is something you can not possibly understand unless you are from Centralia and/or do the proper research (please Wikipedia???...) I am a teacher and never allow my students to use
Wiki as a source because it is not credible. Anyone can post anything they want, true or not. But I forgot, you are a lawyer- you already know that?

Anonymous said...

Not sure if this has been address as I haven't read all 219 comments but I too went to this highschool and what the reporter who coined the name actually said was they looked like "the Orphans of the Storm " which was a popular cartoon in those days. Little Orphan Annie was also a cartoon long before it was the movie so these too teams are name after cartoons NOT actual adoptees. These names do reflective our heritage as a town - we may have come from meager beginnings and not look like much but don't underestimate us on the basis of our look as we are fighters and winners!

Anonymous said...

Noooooo way your changing the name. Pick a different school to pick on. We love our name and are proud to be a orphan. ORPHAN 4 LIFE!!

chryscrund614 said...

Chrystal C......class of 2006 from centralia high school.....I'm extremely proud to call myself an Orphan or Orphan Annie....if you guys think its so "offensive" then don't read about us.....ignore us and move on with your life....were proud of who we are....ill root for the ORPHANS til the day I die.....GOOOO ORPHANS AND ORPHAN ANNIES!!!! like I said.....if you don't like our name....dont send your kids to our school....everyone in centralias proud of the orphans....and also.... PLEASE find something better to do with your time then complain about one schools mascot!! There are most definitely bigger issues in the world to be dealt with...

Sarah said...

As a 1997 graduate of Centralia High School and one who actually wrote an article for the school paper on this topic, I have a couple things to add. Per my conversation with the namesake, the name "Orphan Annie" was actually dubbed prior to the movie "Annie" and in honor of Ann Murray, the first person to bring young women's sports to CHS (after a little fighting). As a student I can remember questioning why our team was named the "Orphans" and why our section at ball games was called the "Orphanage." It is an early part of our school's history and has become a big part of the town of Centralia (after all, CHS is the Winningest B-ball Team in the Nation--or was for a very long time). I agree with you that we need to challenge and consider the appropriateness of these politically incorrect items and appreciate your courage to do so. Through the comments of others you have obviously seen the impact of taking on a community prided in their sports mascot. And if we keep our pride from rearing its ugly head we can ALL learn something from another's perspective . . . whether it be from the heart of an adoptive parent or a proud sports fanatic (and fanatic at CHS might be an understatement!)

golden orphan said...

webster's defination of orphan:
a child whose parents are deceased

centralia, il. definiation of orphan:
pride-elite-the best of the best

the orphan in centralia is a symbol [not a mascot]

the orphan logo is here to stay for ever-more


congress has spoke in their halls how centralia. il. was the winningest boys basketball team of the 20th century & not one-person said a negative word about the orphan symbol.GO! ORPHANS! for-ever

golden orphan said...

webster's defination of orphan:
a child whose parents are deceased

centralia, il. definiation of orphan:
pride-elite-the best of the best

the orphan in centralia is a symbol [not a mascot]

the orphan logo is here to stay for ever-more


congress has spoke in their halls how centralia. il. was the winningest boys basketball team of the 20th century & not one-person said a negative word about the orphan symbol.GO! ORPHANS! for-ever

Anonymous said...

I can highly speak for the entire Centralia, IL Class of '09 in saying this is incredibly absurd. We are all proud to be Orphans and Orphan Annies and if you honestly believe that our mascot is a "disagrace," then think again. Maybe you should look up the entire history of the Centralia Orphans before you post another inaccurate blog about such things. Everyone from Centralia, IL can easily say that they are beyond proud to be an Orphan! You could easily start a battle that you won't win with this blog.

Anonymous said...

Do you really know how we got the girls team name? We did not choose the name Orphan Annies because of "Annie" the musical, but because the girl's team coach was named Annie. Please get some facts straight before you post an article. Why should the name be changed? The mascot "Orphans" shows a great history of Centralia, by showing that we don't have a history of having a lot of money.

blake17 said...

you are just dumb! the centralia orphans are one of the most storied high schools in not only the state but in the country! I travel alot and when i tell people where i live they all say oh yeah i know where that is its the home of the orphans basketball team. No one tells notre dame to change its name from the fighting irish, they named their team after drunk pissed of irish men. We earned our name sake by being a small school from southern illinois with little funding but a great team. And quite frankly what makes you think that you have earned the right to even have an opinion about a high schools name in illinois when you live in texas, a state that we stole from mexico. I think we should start a pettition to revoke you citizenship and deport you to mexico because some people may find it offensive that you call yourself a texan.

Aspen Garrison said...

Aspen Garrison here proud member of the class of 2009. Also grew up without my my mom and dad. I was never offended by the mascot we had. Ever been to an Orphan basketball game? Ever heard the crowd chant orphans orphans over and over again. Knowing that a small town like ours has years of history. It's an amazing feeling. A feeling you wouldn't understand. My mom was the class of 86 and grandpa the class of 65.
I'm proud to be a part of Orphan Nation. It always gave me the determination to do something with my life, despite the obstacles I was thrown in life. The people I call parents taught me to never use losing my parents as a crutch. Which I feel is exactly what you are teaching true orphans to do.
You need Jesus, I will pray for you!

Go Centralia Orphans!

Hail to the Cardinal hail to the white! :)

Bob Kennedy said...

TO THE AUTHOR:

Your reaching …. matter of fact your over reaching. This whole point your trying to make is baseless. Are you an orphan? Do you work in social work, are you an advocate for any type of groups who are affiliated with adoption agencies? If the answer is no than it seems more to me you want to create an issue where there is none and try to tear down a town and school who takes pride in there sports team, and their high school. The high school and its name sake has been around close to a century, so your a little late …. TRY AGAIN …. this whole blog is a epic fail on your part

Anonymous said...

As a member of the Orphan football club (class of 2010), I myself have to say that I disagree with the argument that such a name is wrong because of its offense.
First: The name has a traditional background. Just as the Florida State Seminoles mascot has the same historical meaning factor, so does our town. The NCAA (which I think we can agree has just a little more steam than the IHSA) decided that such a name was not of offense enough worthy to be changed. The history was the trump to the offense. Using law as an example, I think we can agree that cases with a historical basis tend to follow precedent.
Second: Although this would not be a popular argument, nor probably considered a "good" one, I have to say, even should the name offend people outside of the area, should it not matter to the people around us, where it is used the most, it shouldn't be worth changing. Using a wider example, if someone in Florida called a person a racial, gender, etc. slur, it would not matter quite as much to someone in Washington. Yes, it hurts them, but do they take it personal to the person in Florida? No, but should it become a much more broad scale occurrence, then it would be worth looking into.
Third, and lastly: I base this argument strictly off of a comedian (Steve Hughes), I want to use the "sticks and stones" argument. If it offends someone, why should we change it? What happens if we don't? In fact, nothing happens, but that the person is offended. It is not as if someone says something about the Lord, someone is offended and, as a result, wakes up with leprosy. Nothing happens if someone is offended. To children, yes, this may seem like a bad team name, but as an adult, sometimes you just have to be offended and be that adult and deal with it. (Link to the bit I referenced: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cycXuYzmzNg) As I said, it is based off of comedy, but I think we can agree that comedy is perhaps more intellectual than slapstick as it ever has been.
I do not mean to offend and am simply trying to refute. However, I may have offended any readers and apologize for such.

THays said...

Im so very proud to be an "Orphan" from the class of '09. Being so is deeply embedded in the person I am today, and yet to come. From the time I was little I heard the stories about our little town and our Orphans. Every year came the Holiday Tourney, which brings teams from all across the country(none of their players/fans had a problem with our mascot). The times spent in Trout Gym with my friends and family will never be forgotten. I couldn't wait to be old enough to be in the "Orphanage" when I got to High School. There has been legitimate orphans come through our school over the many many decades we have been named the "Orphans", if anyone should have had the right to speak out against the name of our mascot, it should be them. Not someone over 700 miles away that has most likely never been to Centralia or has ever came close to our little town. Unless that is, you happened to drive past our exit sign on your way to Chicago, bt then again with you being a lawyer you would have probably flown. You should get your facts straight, and should also know that "wiki" is never a legitimate source of information. GO ORPHANS!

Anonymous said...

i see why people could find it offensive.. but seriously its a school's mascot name... theres story behind every schools mascot name and or team name.. seriously we could all take offense to something else. stop wasting time ... in ten years is it really going to matter anyway? no. life's to short to be spending time being offended against a schools name... godness.

Knapp said...

Malinda,
In response to your question "as the speaker, what do you do when what you say is offensive"...you examine what you said and if its truly offensive to many people and something you shouldnt have said, you apologize. if what you said had nothing wrong with it, you dont say shit. No matter what you say or what you call things there always be one person (you) who has a tiff with it. Therefore that person might be over sensitive.
Since when did the term orphan or orphan annie become an offensive word? Ive never heard of this. You refer to people as african-americans, how do you know they r from africa? Cuz they are black? Why arent they just americans? Yes, there is a childrens home a couple blocks away from the high school and another one about 10 miles away. Im pretty sure if there was an issue we would have heard of it by now. you wouldnt be the first 100yrs later. I actually receive compliments on our teams nicknames.
Perhaps you should write about meaningful things in your blog rather than your libel of a community and school.
I dont like the name Malinda, perhaps you should change it..thats my opinion ( im kidding, but do you see how annoying that would be)

Anonymous said...

"Once an orphan always an orfan" this saying is worn on shirts with pride, you see them everywhere. Our town loves the orphans I'm a junior at centralia highshool, and our athletes and other students are one big happy family, your post on NOVEMBER 1, 2011 8:26 AM
Said something about kids not wanting to go to a game because we are making fun of orphans. I'll let you know ive been to every game throughout highschool and not once have we EVER made fun of such a thing. And like i said, we are all a happy family even though we may by be related, we love all of our players and coaches and others in the student body. Im not saying your wrong, you have the right to an opinion, but I do think your blowing things a tad bit out of proportion, and not looking at both sides of things.

Anonymous said...

I am a proud ORPHAN class of 2011. I don't see why people make a big deal out of our name. We are the orphans not to make fun or put down a real orphan. I look at it like this, the name came from miss matching uniforms, but the name orphans gives a dream of what any real orphan could have. It shows that no matter someones background, race or the life style they should never let anyone put them down and always shoot for what they want because as long as you dream you can succeed! CENTRALIA HIGH SCHOOL ARE PROUD ORPHANS& IT WILL ALWAYS BE THAT WAY!!!

Anonymous said...

Fudge You!
Love, Centralia

Anonymous said...

Anyone notice how everyone who post negatively against Centralia isn't even from here? Where the hell do you people get off telling us what or what we can't have as a mascot? If you don't like it don't come here. And stop insulting us malinda. If you have a problem with our Midwestern town then come down here and address your issue. If not, fuck off. O, and by the way the man who the orphan symbol is modeled after is a true orphan and couldn't be prouder so what now?

Anonymous said...

What's wrong with a team being called The Orphans? School teams bring kids together, give them pride, instill teamwork and bring a sense of importance to their lives in a time when they may feel unimportant in the grand scheme of things. Why not feel proud? Why honor an animal like "tigers" or "bumblebees" or whatever when you can honor a real group of real individuals with every win and show perserverence and outright guts with every loss? I don't see an issue.
And to point out the sexist name Orphan Annies is a far stretch. Until those girls on those teams feel that Orphan Annie is a put down, it's not anyone else's place to complain.
I'm really seeing a lot of put downs towards orphans, like you shouldn't be proud to say "Yes, I'm an orphan/was an orphan and am/was strong enough to make it through the hardship." Bad message.
I also just see a person with not enough to complain about so they choose to attack a small town school who idolize and feel great pride in their high school, as all communities should. Here I'll give you a few things to complain about in your next blog that may make a bit more sense: failing government, the economy, gas prices, national debt. Take your pick.

#urwastingtime said...

Woww, did this person really do all that babble?! & are people still trying to say how offended they are?1 Here's and idea those of you who are sooooo offended then ignore it cause guess what its not gunna change all you people soo offended are just causeing problems cause you aparently have nothing better to do with your lives... get over it and find something better to do and get better issues to deal with. Leave the orphans name alone and grow up!

Anonymous said...

You sure didn't do your research on this I am able to boast that this small town team held and has vaccillated with the title AMERICA's winningest basketball team for decades. There are many famous people who have proudly worn the ORPHAN uniform. Bobby Jos Mason,(Harlem Globetrotters), Gary Gaetti, (Minnesota Twins baseball), Dwight Eddleman (basketball), Jim Brady (Reagans Press Secretary), Nancy Scranton (LPGA)and I'm sure I have left out a few.
Look at the time era this name was used. This country was going thru hard times, and there were many orphanages across the country, and most existed on the kindness of strangers donations, and churches, hence the reference to unmatched uniforms. Maybe History would have been changed had they said the team looked like Charity Recipients, which is probably the politically correct term.
This just goes to show, sometimes you never know what is inside the outer wrapping. Similar to when Susan Boyle took the stage, people were chuckling, until she opened her mouth and began to sing.
I'm 57 yrs old and both my parent are dead now. Oh, pardon me, should I have said deceased? Doesn't that make me a real orphan? But I don't feel the least bit slighted.
Centralia has the distinction of not having the confusion of having a generic title, and we are proud of it.

Anonymous said...

I don't get your comments about "I have orphan children." Followed by how the name 'orphan' is such a horrible word. Did you just bully your own child?

I did not to go CHS, but a nearby school and never thought twice about their name. If someone is taking offense to it, maybe the problem isn't with the school name, maybe it's a much bigger issue than that.

Furthermore, you live in Texas and have nothing better to do than to tell us Illinois residents how wrong we are? Let's see, your children will NEVER be an 'Orphan', never play against them and probably would have never known Centralia, IL existed until you created a Hornet's nest out of it. Maybe you, Ms. South, need to keep your business in Texas. I won't be like the tons of others and invite you to our town. Frankly, you're not Welcome in "Orphan Nation."

Anonymous said...

Does the SHAME of being an orphan come from the neccesity of needing to be taken care of?
I would much rather be an orphan than to be a child whose parents are not financially or emotionally able to raise me. Better that my drug-dealing/using parents are dead than to keep coming in and out of my life, just to screw me up. Better than to have a Mother who has so many boyfriends, and a few who want me for a sex toy.
Even if my parents died in a fire or car wreck, is better than bio parents just giving me away. Better than having a deformity, and knowing that's why you were given away. I'd rather be an orphan than any of these kids.
It's all in how you treat and teach a child to live with circumstances. If I were to find out my kids made remarks about a child being an ORPHAN, or even any of these circumstances, is when I sit them down and talka bout how much positive things these kids have, like a good home, people who love them, and how my kids can interact to make them fit in.
After all it's just a descriptive word.

Anonymous said...

Malinda,

Really? Really? Although I appreciate your commitment to supporting those children who due to no fault of their own, find themselves without "family" but unfortunately you seem to represent a greater threat to our society in being part of the the "politically correct" sect. I believe you respresent a sect which passes judgement on individuals or issues without considering the countering stance and for those who have a differing opinion than yours are considered to be insensitive or "threatening" as you have previously posted. This, madam, is much more threatening to our society than an "offensive" (as you describe it) school mascot. I am not originally from Centralia nor a CHS graduate. If you are offfended by Orphan Nation, GET OVER IT!

Anonymous said...

A proud "Annie" from the class of 1981. Dad was in the class of 1953. To any and all "Orphan Haters", get over it, and get over yourselves!

Anonymous said...

NoW that our community has spoke its piece where is Melinda now haven't heard anything in a long while???????? class of 2000 you are not getting my name. ORPHANS NATION

Anonymous said...

As a class of 79 Centralia High School Orphan. I dont really see the issue here. Why do you feel you have to judge something you know nothing about? Are you going to say something about the Atlanta Braves? I bet there are not many indians on that team. Any team that are the Indians. How about the Trojans??? Are they promoting sex? And another good one is the Freeburg Midgets!!! Do you send those people letters telling them they are offenders! Just a proud CHS ORPHAN and friend to many orphans!

Anonymous said...

Class of 2014!

Malinda, for your kids to be actual orphans, you would have to be dead, or at least hate your children enough to send them away.. which i doubt any real parent would do. You're an idiot to get offended by something so little. And if "a lot of people" are "offended", why does a huge group of people always showing up to the sporting events? yea, it seems like they are really offended..
What about One Hope United, the Orphanage/Childrens home in Centralia? Im sure that the kids are happy, because it gives them hope, that a real orphan, can be successful as a CHS Orphan. There is one kid, not mentioning the name on here, but was from One Hope United, and actually played on the golf team. I'm sure that he was glad to have a safe getaway, and hang out with others. This kid is one of the nicest kids I have ever met, and never even complained once about the school's mascot. Shocker?? an actual orphan never complained once about the mascot? Malinda, come to Centralia, see the pride. Quit trying to humiliate our town.

Thanks
Centralia Orphan

Anonymous said...

well, to the author of this blog thing... what was your school mascot?

Anonymous said...

Hey lady think about who you are offending...more than the name orphan offends other people. U say adopt-an-orphan rally? I know the kids in that picture so if I were you I would shut up. They r my rival school but I still have enough respect for them not to hate on their mascots. Get a life

sixbysixdown said...

Dear Malinda - Your blogpost shows an astonishing lack of tact.

If you would have done even the slightest amount of research, you would have learned that Centralia has endured a phenomenal amount of community heartbreak and we are tied to our Orphan identity.

Why? Do a simple google search with "Centralia mine disaster" and you will find that on March 25, 1947 (our parents' generation), we lost 111 of our men (fathers and grandfathers) in an explosion that rocked our small town and created God-Knows how many ORPHANS!!

111 men died on one day. Read some of the notes they left behind for their children and you will see. We know about the pain of loss. Please mind your own business.

We are not here to offend you, but to celebrate our community identity. We don't need your misplaced victimhood and "offended-ness". We are proud of our record-setting athletic teams. We have always been a small town that, despite heartbreaks and obstacles to overcome, has accomplished great things.

And we will always be a proud Orphans!

sixbysixdown said...

Dear Malinda - Your blogpost shows an astonishing lack of tact.

If you would have done even the slightest amount of research, you would have learned that Centralia has endured a phenomenal amount of community heartbreak and we are tied to our Orphan identity.

Why? Do a simple google search with "Centralia mine disaster" and you will find that on March 25, 1947 (our parents' generation), we lost 111 of our men (fathers and grandfathers) in an explosion that rocked our small town and created God-Knows how many ORPHANS!!

111 men died on one day. Read some of the notes they left behind for their children and you will see. We know about the pain of loss. Please mind your own business.

We are not here to offend you, but to celebrate our community identity. We don't need your misplaced victimhood and "offended-ness". We are proud of our record-setting athletic teams. We have always been a small town that, despite heartbreaks and obstacles to overcome, has accomplished great things.

And we will always be a proud Orphans!

Anonymous said...

Wow, this is pathetic! Get a life!

Dylan Dukes said...

I'd just like to say, that I am going to the high school right now, I've lived in this town since I was in 3rd grade. There is NOTHING degrading about the Orphan name. If anything, its something to be proud of. Its one of those "You'd have to be there" moments, but its more like "You'd have to have lived it." I know people can make an arguement out of anything, and this is a perfect example.

ALSO! ORPHAN FOOTBALL THIS YEAR:::: AMAZING JOB BOYS!

SHANNON - AND I POST IT PROUDLY said...

This is really laughable. The fact is that nobody knows the real reason we were called the orphans (yes...WE. I am a proud Orphan - class of '87). There are speculations; many believe it's the story about the uniforms, and many believe it's because of the movie, and some say it's because of the mine disaster, but nobody knows the real reason, at least that we're aware of. What I really find laughable is the fact that you're quoting Wiki to create drama. I'm laughing out loud! That just made my day. Anyone who quotes wiki cannot and SHOULD not be taken seriously.

Yes, some people will take offense to the name, but most do not. And for those of you saying you were "afraid" to show your dislike for the name out of "fear"....I'm callin' this one bull***. I know MANY people, in my day, who made fun of the name. Nobody was ever treated badly for it. Nobody gasped and whispered behind backs. Nobody waited in an alley with a dark cloth and bats. Nobody even verbally assaulted anyone who made fun of it. In fact, I find it hard to believe that those posts are from real Centralians.

You've had many people tell you to stop stirring up trouble and focus on your adopted children so they feel confident and positive and secure. You really should take that advice because being the spoon that stirs crap isn't something you want them to be known for. Too bad that's what you've become known for because you could be using your powers for good and not evil. What a waste.

Anonymous said...

Class of 1982, former Orphan
Dude, before you start a big mess over truly nothing..., Most of your ADOPTEE'S are trying to steal the babies of our nations, tearing apart families to gain a child. I will refuse to go here with such " you have too much time on your hands" kind of letter!!! BTW...Is the title "Orphans/Orphan Annies" steering adoptions away from you???? I don't get it! What's your problem. You Attorny's will do anything for a buck won't you? Very Sad!

Anonymous said...

What is wrong with the name Orphans? People who go here are proud to be called orphans. Orphans4Life. We are the ONLY school name in the nation with this name.

Matt G said...

This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of or read about. You don't know anything about Centralia, you don't know your history, you don't know what you are talking about. Basically you don't know anything that your post is about.

It's a bunch of crap typed about nothing. Who gives a flying fish!? IT DOESN'T BOTHER PEOPLE! But now you are bothering me, the Centralia Orphans, and Orphan Nation because of your desire to bash a school's mascot.

I currently attend Centralia High School. I have never given the mascot's existence any second thoughts. I have nothing against actual orphans because I know they are actual people. DUH!

The Centralia Orphans got their name in 1908. People didn't care what the name was then, so why should people (you) give a ish now?!

I leave this comment with this question: what the hell were you thinking?

- Matt (Class Of 2013, Centralia High School, Centralia, IL)

No Bamboozle said...

OMG! Does one person having an opinion REALLY have this impact on the whole town? Ever heard of Freedom of Speech?
This blog is to discuss adoption, China, and at times, the cruel insensitivities of others.
I get the whole pride thing, but it's now time for you to curl back up into your "natural womb" and move on.

Anonymous said...

"Its history, current economic problems, passion for their sports teams, unity and community in all things, is simply not a justification for having an offensive mascot."

What I don't understand is...when was it decided by the general public that the word "orphan" is offensive? It is offensive to you - I understand that. Please show me that this term is offensive to the majority of orphaned or adopted children. Prove that point please. Show us some research. Because I don't believe it is true. I am 48 and I have never heard that it is an offensive term. Now one could use one's own opinion to make it into their own personal derogatory term - true - I think that is what you have done. The term "orphan" is a factual word, not derogatory. If I state that an person is an Afro-American, it can be perceived as a factual statement. Or a more untrusting person who pre-judges and assumes evil intent of others may assume a negative implied meaning of that factual statement, attaching prejudice to its innocent intentions. Have you petitioned the dictionary publishers to delete the word from their publications because it is derogatory?

While I was going to school in Centralia, I never once thought of our mascot's name as derogatory, and, until now, I have never heard of anyone raising this question. When I mentioned our mascot's name to others not from the area, they often stated that it was an unusual mascot name, but that was all. I did not hear the story on wiki behind the mascot's name while I was attending school. I always assumed that it had something to do with the long history of the presence of the Children's Home there. My childhood impression was that the town had a lot of pride in that home and how our town looked out for those in need. There has never been any ill intentions behind Centralia having such a mascot name. In your article, you seem to imply that there was. Now you seem to concede our intentions were/are pure, but you state it doesn't matter. We have blown up a main basis of your article - so your defense for your argument now is that it doesn't matter? I hope this isn't the kind of logic that you use to defend your clients!

I wonder what the Texas Bar Associaion would say of your use of a photo of children without permission, and your subsequent refusal to remove it after being asked to do so by parents of those children?
Doug Tucker, CHS '81

Doug Tucker, CHS '81 said...

"Its history, current economic problems, passion for their sports teams, unity and community in all things, is simply not a justification for having an offensive mascot."

What I don't understand is...when was it decided by the general public that the word "orphan" is offensive? It is offensive to you - I understand that. Please show me that this term is offensive to the majority of orphaned or adopted children. Prove that point please. Show us some research. Because I don't believe it is true. I am 48 and I have never heard that it is an offensive term. Now one could use one's own opinion to make it into their own personal derogatory term - true - I think that is what you have done. The term "orphan" is a factual word, not derogatory. If I state that an person is an Afro-American, it can be perceived as a factual statement. Or a more untrusting person who pre-judges and assumes evil intent of others may assume a negative implied meaning of that factual statement, attaching prejudice to its innocent intentions. Have you petitioned the dictionary publishers to delete the word from their publications because it is derogatory?

While I was going to school in Centralia, I never once thought of our mascot's name as derogatory, and, until now, I have never heard of anyone raising this question. When I mentioned our mascot's name to others not from the area, they often stated that it was an unusual mascot name, but that was all. I did not hear the story on wiki behind the mascot's name while I was attending school. I always assumed that it had something to do with the long history of the presence of the Children's Home there. My childhood impression was that the town had a lot of pride in that home and how our town looked out for those in need. There has never been any ill intentions behind Centralia having such a mascot name. In your article, you seem to imply that there was. Now you seem to concede our intentions were/are pure, but you state it doesn't matter. We have blown up a main basis of your article - so your defense for your argument now is that it doesn't matter? I hope this isn't the kind of logic that you use to defend your clients!

I wonder what the Texas Bar Associaion would say of your use of a photo of children without permission, and your subsequent refusal to remove it after being asked to do so by parents of those children?

Richard Sheppard said...

I'm saddened that the ideals of 'political correctness' have been completely diminished by a mass of people who find it impossible to be aware of other people's needs and feelings. It's a shame that the human race has come this far and yet has a wholesale lack of empathy.

The naming of the Centralia Orphans happened nearly a century prior the rise of 'political correctness' as well as the detractors of 'polical correctness'. Even then it was not meant as the derogatory statement you claim it to be.

I didn't participate on any of the sports teams, but feel extremely fortunate to have had a very good education from that school. An education which taught the value of scrutinizing the information I was given and to put to it into context.

But my education started much further north, in Minnesota, and the education I received prior to my move to Centralia enabled me to understand that becoming an orphan was a tragedy for any child. In fact, the loss of my mother was what precipitated my from Minnesota to Centralia.

There are perhaps 250,000 words in the English language. When looking through a dictionary, you will see that quite a high proportion of these words have more one meaning. We learn to understand and accept that property of our language and vocabulary. Could you stretch to believe that the people of Centralia are capable of understanding that the word orphan also means 'a child whose parents are dead' and furthermore that people from Centralia are capable of compassion and can care for such children? That both meanings can co-exist without petty argument?

Did you also know that typographers use the word orphan to denote a paragraph-opening line that appears by itself at the bottom of a page/column?

All the best,

Richard Sheppard (Class of '81)

Doug Tucker, CHS '81 said...

You proudly say you do not delete comments, so I'm wondering why you deleted mine from last night? It's a good thing I save everything. Reposting it. I will also have it on my Facebook where you cannot delete it and where other Centralia folks can repeatedly repost it to your blog, making it infinitely difficult for you to get rid of.

Doug Tucker, CHS '81 said...

"Its history, current economic problems, passion for their sports teams, unity and community in all things, is simply not a justification for having an offensive mascot."

What I don't understand is...when was it decided by the general public that the word "orphan" is offensive? It is offensive to you - I understand that. Please show me that this term is offensive to the majority of orphaned or adopted children. Prove that point please. Show us some research. Because I don't believe it is true. I am 48 and I have never heard that it is an offensive term. Now one could use one's own opinion to make it into their own personal derogatory term - true - I think that is what you have done. The term "orphan" is a factual word, not derogatory. If I state that an person is an Afro-American, it can be perceived as a factual statement. Or a more untrusting person who pre-judges and assumes evil intent of others may assume a negative implied meaning of that factual statement, attaching prejudice to its innocent intentions. Have you petitioned the dictionary publishers to delete the word from their publications because it is derogatory?

While I was going to school in Centralia, I never once thought of our mascot's name as derogatory, and, until now, I have never heard of anyone raising this question. When I mentioned our mascot's name to others not from the area, they often stated that it was an unusual mascot name, but that was all. I did not hear the story on wiki behind the mascot's name while I was attending school. I always assumed that it had something to do with the long history of the presence of the Children's Home there. My childhood impression was that the town had a lot of pride in that home and how our town looked out for those in need. There has never been any ill intentions behind Centralia having such a mascot name. In your article, you seem to imply that there was. Now you seem to concede our intentions were/are pure, but you state it doesn't matter. We have blown up a main basis of your article - so your defense for your argument now is that it doesn't matter? I hope this isn't the kind of logic that you use to defend your clients!

I wonder what the Texas Bar Associaion would say of your use of a photo of children without permission, and your subsequent refusal to remove it after being asked to do so by parents of those children?

What's Your Point? said...

‎"Its history, current economic problems, passion for their sports teams, unity and community in all things, is simply not a justification for having an offensive mascot."

What I don't understand is...when was it decided by the general public that the word "orphan" is offensive? It is offensive to you - I understand that. Please show me that this term is offensive to the majority of orphaned or adopted children. Prove that point please. Show us some research. Because I don't believe it is true. I am 48 and I have never heard that it is an offensive term. Now one could use one's own opinion to make it into their own personal derogatory term - true - I think that is what you have done. The term "orphan" is a factual word, not derogatory. If I state that an person is an Afro-American, it can be perceived as a factual statement. Or a more untrusting person who pre-judges and assumes evil intent of others may assume a negative implied meaning of that factual statement, attaching prejudice to its innocent intentions. Have you petitioned the dictionary publishers to delete the word from their publications because it is derogatory?

While I was going to school in Centralia, I never once thought of our mascot's name as derogatory, and, until now, I have never heard of anyone raising this question. When I mentioned our mascot's name to others not from the area, they often stated that it was an unusual mascot name, but that was all. I did not hear the story on wiki behind the mascot's name while I was attending school. I always assumed that it had something to do with the long history of the presence of the Children's Home there. My childhood impression was that the town had a lot of pride in that home and how our town looked out for those in need. There has never been any ill intentions behind Centralia having such a mascot name. In your article, you seem to imply that there was. Now you seem to concede our intentions were/are pure, but you state it doesn't matter. We have blown up a main basis of your article - so your defense for your argument now is that it doesn't matter? I hope this isn't the kind of logic that you use to defend your clients!

I wonder what the Texas Bar Associaion would say of your use of a photo of children without permission, and your subsequent refusal to remove it after being asked to do so by parents of those children?

Doug Tucker, CHS '81 said...

What is it about my comment that you do not want others to see?

Doug Tucker, CHS '81 said...

"Its history, current economic problems, passion for their sports teams, unity and community in all things, is simply not a justification for having an offensive mascot."

What I don't understand is...when was it decided by the general public that the word "orphan" is offensive? It is offensive to you - I understand that. Please show me that this term is offensive to the majority of orphaned or adopted children. Prove that point please. Show us some research. Because I don't believe it is true. I am 48 and I have never heard that it is an offensive term. Now one could use one's own opinion to make it into their own personal derogatory term - true - I think that is what you have done. The term "orphan" is a factual word, not derogatory. If I state that an person is an Afro-American, it can be perceived as a factual statement. Or a more untrusting person who pre-judges and assumes evil intent of others may assume a negative implied meaning of that factual statement, attaching prejudice to its innocent intentions. Have you petitioned the dictionary publishers to delete the word from their publications because it is derogatory?

While I was going to school in Centralia, I never once thought of our mascot's name as derogatory, and, until now, I have never heard of anyone raising this question. When I mentioned our mascot's name to others not from the area, they often stated that it was an unusual mascot name, but that was all. I did not hear the story on wiki behind the mascot's name while I was attending school. I always assumed that it had something to do with the long history of the presence of the Children's Home there. My childhood impression was that the town had a lot of pride in that home and how our town looked out for those in need. There has never been any ill intentions behind Centralia having such a mascot name. In your article, you seem to imply that there was. Now you seem to concede our intentions were/are pure, but you state it doesn't matter. We have blown up a main basis of your article - so your defense for your argument now is that it doesn't matter? I hope this isn't the kind of logic that you use to defend your clients!

I wonder what the Texas Bar Associaion would say of your use of a photo of children without permission, and your subsequent refusal to remove it after being asked to do so by parents of those children?

Doug Tucker, CHS '81 said...

Centralia folks - she has deleted the above comment by me repeatedly. I doubt she will leave this one up.

malinda said...

Sorry, Mr. Tucker, I did not delete your comments, but blogger for whatever reason decided you were a spammer and filtered you out. Your comments are now back.

Anonymous said...

On October 31,Melinda said this about orphans in her reply. I FIND THIS HIGHLY OFFENSIVE TO ORPHANS EVERYWHERE Outside of Centralia, being called an orphan is not a wonderful, warm & fuzzy thing. It means, in the rest of the world, that you are an object of pity, or you are unloved and unloveable, or that you are damaged in some way, if not completely pathological (think Esther from the movie "Orphan.")

Go to Google Images and search for images of orphans? What do you find? Is that how you think of orphans? Can you see that that is the way the rest of the world thinks of orphans?

golden orphan said...

the shot clock has ended this link.
one-side favors the webster,s [dictionary]side.
the centralia side comes from the heart, which is taught day-one in centralia. end of discussion.
someone from centralia please start a new blog to see how much territory orphan nation covers nation wide & global [ that would be interesting information [ the exact head count ]
someone with more computer knowledge than i please start it-up

Anonymous said...

As an former Orphan Annie, class of 1987, I am proud to have been know as such. Wouldn't change it for anything!

Anonymous said...

I am a graduate of CHS, class of 2009 and we have one of the best schools around, not to mention our amazing school pride. Having the mascot being an Orphan is not offensive. Maybe it would be if we didn't take pride in our school? But even that sounds ridiculous! Every single one of our sports is amazing and we take great pride in being one of the best basketball teams in Illinois. There are many more things to be blogging about than a silly mascot. Go on blogging about NCLB act or something else that's actually controversial and leave our amazing school and it's mascot alone:)

Anonymous said...

HAHAH! this is ridiculous! You really had to find something so minor to complain about? As a proud graduate of CHS i'd like to say "GO OPRHANS!" I am sure there would be HELL raised if Centralia High School changed their mascot!

Anonymous said...

CHS Class of '78: The team name represents pride in being yourself and working to your full potential regardless of your outward image (mismatched uniforms) or what others think of you (the announcer who pronounced the team "a bunch of orphans"). It has nothing to do with real orphans, orphanages or cartoon characters with red hair. 'Nuff said.

Anonymous said...

Malinda. If anything, the school mascot basicly glorifies the orphaned children. We take our name proud, and our teams are quite amazing. We obviously would not pick that name to downgrade orphans. The fact that we would name our team that, should be looked at as a neat naming. Since basicly no ones done it before. I highly doubt, highly highly highly, that any orphan would find the name offensive.

Anonymous said...

I am also proud to be an Orphan. One could look on the positive side of this and speak of the adversity people overcome not only as individuals but also as a community. There is no shame in being a foster child or adopted, I have taken in two foster children and they are proud to call themselves Orphans. They have overcome not only in their personal lives but realize how a community such as Centralia welcomes all people. Our mascot is just one example of a community being proud of where they came from and what they can achieve and overcome.

J. Marie said...

Wow! I can't believe this post garnered such a response.

I grew up in an Alabama town where the two largest high schools were Robert E. Lee and Jefferson Davis. As a white Southerner and Lee alumna, I can say with 100% authority that no one is (nor could he possibly be) offended that these schools memorialize icons of the Confederacy. If there were someone who might find this offensive (and this is totally hypothetical because it's just darn impossible), he would certainly just be an overly sensitive, politically correct idiot whose opinion I should readily dismiss. I mean, the names merely reflect the South's rich history, which everyone should appreciate. Go Racists! (Note the sarcasm, please.)

Oh, I know, I know. This is totally different.

But it isn't necessarily better. Pointing a finger at other inappropriate mascots does not negate the inappropriateness of any other mascot.

Seriously consider Malinda's point-of view here. You might think she is saying the equivalent of this: "Oh, how horrible! These people call their mascot a stewardess instead of a flight attendant!" Really, what she's saying is much closer to this: "Oh, how horrible! This school's mascot is a rape victim!"

And your response is kind of like this: "Oh, it's only because someone said the team looked like a bunch of rape victims [orphans] with their black eye smudges and tattered [mismatched] uniforms! The unique name just stuck! I think it's cute. Besides, the term 'rape victim' ['orphan'] isn't derogatory. It merely describes someone who has been raped [orphaned]. While being raped [losing one's parents] is unfortunate, it isn't something about which to be ashamed. In fact, rape victims [orphans] are really lucky to have survived [to have been adopted]; after all, they could have been murdered [aborted]! Indeed, they should be proud! Why would any rape victim [orphan] or anyone else be offended that we have a rape victim [orphan] mascot? If anything, we're making being a rape victim [orphan] something to be proud of!
Signed,
Proud to be a Rape Victim {Orphan]"

Sadly, this ridiculous conversation is all too familiar to adoptees. Losing one's biological family is a source of deep, legitimate, lasting pain (not pride). That pain is too often dismissed, especially when the poor, wretched orphan is "lucky" enough to be adopted.

As an adoptive mother, I would be absolutely mortified if my daughter had to chant or display "Proud to be an Orphan!" to show school spirit. And, based on the comments here, I would be terrified that she'd be lynched by fellow Orphans if she didn't find her school mascot very appropriate.

Sincerely,
J. Marie

P.S. On an unrelated note, it's funny to me that these so-called Orphans have so much pride in a school that didn't teach them the difference between "your" and "you're." Alas, sports accomplishments are much more important than academic ones.

P.P.S. I don't know Malinda, but I do know from reading this blog that she is passionate about adoption-related issues. That's why she cares about this topic. This is HER blog, HER forum, HER voice, so why are YOU telling HER to shut up?

J. Marie said...

Good grief! My comment was really long. I hope people read enough of it to realize that I am an orphan supporter, not an Orphan supporter.

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Unknown said...

as someone who went back and forth from the midwest to the south growing up...hearing some compare slavery and racism to the Centralia Orphans is a freaking joke.
secondly..malinda..i feel bad for your kids that you are far too busy making them victims that you don't have time to raise them. i have some experience..i am raising 5 very well adjusted teenagers who due to military commitments cannot be Orphans...but sure the hell wish they were

Unknown said...

Centralia Orphans VOTED BEST MASCOT IN THE NATION by USAToday!!!!!!!!! Over 25 MILLION VOTES FOR THE ORPHANS!!!! Thought you would just LOVE TO SEE THIS!!!!! GO ORPHANS!!!!!!
http://contest.usatodayhss.com/vote/mascot/final

Unknown said...

What is Wilbur, the mascot for GIMP?
Mascots Shiping Company

Chicago Uber X Driver said...

You know, there's something to be said for context. If the team were using the word "Orphans" to mock or demean actual orphans, maybe people would have a case for changing the name. But that's not how they're using it. In fact, it's quite the opposite.

"Yankee Doodle Dandy" was a song that British troops sang at revolutionary soldiers as a way of mocking them. The revolutionaries adopted the song as their own to take the power of mockery away from their adversaries and it remains a cultural and historic anthem of our nation to this day.

In a similar vain, the phrase "Orphans" was, in fact, originally used to mock and belittle the Centralia basketball team. So what did they do? They took it, embraced it, made it their own, and took the power of mockery away from the people who actually were using "Orphans" as a term of derision. And that's why they should continue to use it to this day.

Frankly, I think the Sensitive Sallys of the world could take a cue from the Centralia Orphans.

Katie said...

Agreed, Jen. I can't believe this much time and effort went into this rambling about something so harmless.

Katie said...

Agreed, Jen. I can't believe this much time and effort went into this rambling about something so harmless.

Unknown said...

Let me ask you this..... when you say "JESUS CHRIST", do you mean it as a condemning word ?, or a praise to our heavenly father. Just like the word ORPHAN....where were you people when they made the play "LITTLE ORPHAN ANNIE". OMG ! Thats the name of the girls teams at Centralia High School. I grew up in Shelbyville, IL where I was a RAM. The same animal the Holy Bible makes reference to that was sacrificed. Soooooo, I guess I am both a RAM and an ORPHAN, so Im a condemned sacrifice. You people need to get a REAL life. BTW: I was adopted.
By 14,000 loving and caring ORPHANS in Centralia over 30 years ago. PROUD to call ORPHAN NATION my home !!

Unknown said...

GIGANTIC HENTAI COCK I DISAGREE.
How is this offensive? Maybe if our name was “We Hate Orphans” or “Orphan Beaters/Rapers” it’s the orphans. It’s a team name it’s better being called Orphan instead being called a nigger. So you think about that appreciate your white privilege.
Orphan out.��


Ps-instead of worry about the name why don’t you go help some real orphans you jackass.

Unknown said...

You’re a fucking idiot. I live here and it doesn’t do that at all. It’s literally just some letters.
We’re the underdog. We are the Orphans.

Unknown said...

✊🏾

Unknown said...

GIGANTIC HENTAI COCK I DISAGREE.
How is this offensive? Maybe if our name was “We Hate Orphans” or “Orphan Beaters/Rapers” it’s the orphans. It’s a team name it’s better being called Orphan instead being called a nigger. So you think about that appreciate your white privilege.
Orphan out.��


Ps-instead of worry about the name why don’t you go help some real orphans you jackass.

bmilliken9 said...

Late to your little diatribe and have read most of the comments so I won't add to the reasons why we should keep our mascot name. But I do invite you to channel all your legal acumen into a righteous crusade to force Centralia to change our teams "horrific/disrespectful/degrading" mascot name. Please show us poor backwards miscreants your staggering legal abilities, potent persuasiveness and influence to compel this town to bend to your will. I can see that this is a deep and personal crusade for you and the "abomination" of our teams moniker is so egregious that you should be able to easily find support for your cause. I beg you to spend your every waking hour to correct this heinous affront. If you are successful in doing that, I'll kiss your a$$ in front of Trout gym.

maymay said...

am hs graduate 1970.went to many fball games in my red sweat shirt.the yell ws:we are the orphans the mighty orphans.every where we go people wanna know who we are and we tell them who we are the mighty orphans the mighty mighty orphans...go centralia in little egypt

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