tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316191265933534655.post2661739903282686143..comments2024-02-27T00:41:15.985-06:00Comments on AdoptionTalk: Report: Korean Birth Mother Presentationmalindahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06233439015219192874noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316191265933534655.post-38043933891050780622009-10-08T21:39:20.177-05:002009-10-08T21:39:20.177-05:00I just came across your blog and I am really enjoy...I just came across your blog and I am really enjoying reading through the post. I have one daughter from Korea and one from China. I enjoyed this post on the Birth mothers. I wrote letters and sent pictures to Eastern for about the first two years.<br />Back to reading post : )Chasing Dreams Photographyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16118681624885501597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316191265933534655.post-16259539675767104082009-07-29T13:58:45.901-05:002009-07-29T13:58:45.901-05:00Trying to figure out where one person is from is d...Trying to figure out where one person is from is difficult in China due to curent economic mobility and forced mobility in the cultural revolution (and in the case of expansion like in the Yangzi river project in the 90s). In the 60s Many people from the cities were sent to the countryside to work as farmers, miners, etcetra. After the cultural revolution some people stayed in these areas and others didn't. Additionally, many people leave their villages to find work or attend university in other areas, then marry and have children, which makes it very difficult to identify exactly where people are from. Sorry to be so off topic about the birthmother discussion.travelmom and morehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15120395106521653130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316191265933534655.post-2320678318528580042009-07-28T20:29:43.774-05:002009-07-28T20:29:43.774-05:00Just to make it clear, I said Jane thought my daug...Just to make it clear, I said Jane thought my daughter might be a particular nationality. I did not say there was proof. It may confirm my exposure living where there are Asians of all variety, but there is no proof. . .and I do know that some people put no stock in her theories.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316191265933534655.post-6391985386923470502009-07-28T14:41:14.962-05:002009-07-28T14:41:14.962-05:00My experience in traveling to China 3 times is tha...My experience in traveling to China 3 times is that there are Chinese people who hold stereotypes about people from different provinces. My older daughter is a Hunan, a "chile baby" (meaning she is supposed to be sweet and spicy e.g., has a temper). Hunan girls are also supposed to be very pretty. My other daughter is from Guangxi and she has some facial characteristics of Zhuang people (high forehead and protruding lips). Having traveled to each of their orphanage cities, I could see that they tended to look like other people from their towns. However, I don't think that Jane should go around making proclamations about the ethnicity of kids based on their appearance. It isn't helpful or useful information. I think it is better to make peace with not knowning, if you can. <br /><br />And now back to the discussion of birthmothers! I think we need to keep in mind that are probably as many differences between birthmothers as there are between kids from different provinces (or even the same one). But I did wonder how the differences in culture, circumstances and adoption procedures between China and Korea would affect birthmothers' reactions in each country. <br />Sue (aka anonymous)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316191265933534655.post-44687395133769290722009-07-28T13:41:00.463-05:002009-07-28T13:41:00.463-05:00anon--just to let you know, we met Jane (didn'...anon--just to let you know, we met Jane (didn't ask her ethnicity, but she commented on it anyway knowing what province she was from) and she declared that our daughter was NOT Zhuang, that there was no way she was Zhuang. MANY Chinese people absolutely said she was Zhuang. Well...we met her birth family--she IS Zhuang. <br />I am just saying...ethnicity can be determined by features on occassion, but not always. Our daughter does have Zhuang features--which are not universal within the Zhuang people, but only meeting her family provided the truth of the matter.<br /><br />***sorry for going off the topic of the post. Thank you Malinda for posting this, I look forward to hearing more!Jeff and Madelinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07330454830153579449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316191265933534655.post-86329182495722082792009-07-28T13:33:56.691-05:002009-07-28T13:33:56.691-05:00Hi Malinda,
Re Jane Liedke.... she told me that o...Hi Malinda,<br /><br />Re Jane Liedke.... she told me that our DD looked like a mix of japanese (eyelids) tibetan cheeks, and islander/Thai shaped eyes, also that she may be a mix of Northern Chinese and Tibetan. My DD is from Hunan. I was very concerned about this especially when you hear of trafficking reports etc.... then a chinese lady who claims to be able to tell ethnicities, and also has an adopred DD from Hunan said that our DD was defintely from the Hunan region (ie south central China) and was most probably from the Miao ethnic group. When I looked it up I could see the similarities... I guess we can never know, but I think i would take a chinese persons opinion over an american persons in this instance... the other info was very confusing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316191265933534655.post-43176207325086749852009-07-28T12:31:07.426-05:002009-07-28T12:31:07.426-05:00Thank you to let us know! I'm was in Puerto Ri...Thank you to let us know! I'm was in Puerto Rico and almost I send an email to FCC Tarrant asking about the pesentation. <br /><br />HUgs<br />Mei-LingMi Hilo Rojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10115043312614157872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316191265933534655.post-42659336069660738052009-07-28T11:56:23.614-05:002009-07-28T11:56:23.614-05:00No one can definetly ID someone by their race (as ...No one can definetly ID someone by their race (as we know, a false construct). Yes, some people have features that lend themselves moreso to one ethnic group or another and one province may have more of that ethnic group than another, but that can not be said for all people--Asian or otherwise. I think Jane is doing a disservice by claiming to be able to ID children from each ethnic group--yes, she is right SOME of the time, but not always. <br />The point of the test mentioned is to show that we stereotype and that it is almost impossible to be right 100% of the time.Jeff and Madelinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07330454830153579449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316191265933534655.post-85236607548930874642009-07-28T10:56:36.758-05:002009-07-28T10:56:36.758-05:00Yes, I meant Jane L.Yes, I meant Jane L.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316191265933534655.post-46988854378848895302009-07-27T23:51:44.388-05:002009-07-27T23:51:44.388-05:00I lived in asia for 5 years - it took me about 18 ...I lived in asia for 5 years - it took me about 18 months to begin to differentiate! I'm pretty good at it now. You only see the differences you're exposed to. A favorite example was on a tour bus in Tay Ninh Viet Nam when the guide informed all of us on the bus we had to take note of what he looked like, because we all had blonde/brown hair and blue eyes and he couldn't tell us apart.chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06428341662448130100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316191265933534655.post-87494513588787650152009-07-27T23:41:26.754-05:002009-07-27T23:41:26.754-05:00Sue, I'm also completely lousy at differentiat...Sue, I'm also completely lousy at differentiating between different Asian ethnicities! I don't think I got even one right. <br /><br />I understand that even Asians find it difficult, using clues like dress and demeanor to help, but when given just faces are pretty bad at it.<br /><br /><br />But there are folks who claim they can really tell the difference. I assumed Osolo meant Jane Liedtke when she said Jane -- am I right about that? Jane claims to be able to tell what PROVINCE a Chinese child is from!malindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06233439015219192874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316191265933534655.post-26994043976926939622009-07-27T22:26:40.978-05:002009-07-27T22:26:40.978-05:00Can you really tell if someone looks Korean, Chine...Can you really tell if someone looks Korean, Chinese, or Japanese? Try this quiz: http://alllooksame.com/<br /><br />I got only 1 out of 18 right!!<br /><br />Sue (aka anonymous)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316191265933534655.post-68426772939644167792009-07-27T22:21:59.771-05:002009-07-27T22:21:59.771-05:00It is very interesting to realize how much the bir...It is very interesting to realize how much the birth moms valued the updates about their child. One thing I really wish is that my daughters' birthparents could know what happened to them. <br />Sue (aka anonymous)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316191265933534655.post-61104398884425329842009-07-27T22:05:11.044-05:002009-07-27T22:05:11.044-05:00I think you're thinking of Vietnam, not Korea....I think you're thinking of Vietnam, not Korea. There is still international adoption from Korea, though they are planning to phase it out by 2012.<br /><br />It's possible Simone is of Korean ethnicity. Not only is there immigration (illegal) from North Korea to China, there is a population of ethnic Koreans who are seen as one of the 52 recognized minority groups in China. They are mostly up north, but who's to say whether they've migrated south?malindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06233439015219192874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316191265933534655.post-36549968339672954672009-07-27T19:06:46.493-05:002009-07-27T19:06:46.493-05:00I came by and I read it and was so moved I couldn&...I came by and I read it and was so moved I couldn't comment. And I've come back to say what brave women these were for coming to the US and talking about this. Absolutely heart-breaking. And thank you, Malinda, for the detailed account. I appreciated your physicial descriptions of them too. <br /><br />Am I demented? I thought int'l adoption in Korea was now banned because of their earlier babylift. I wonder where I got that idea. <br /><br />Incidentally, Jane thinks Simone looks Korean, that she is not native to Jiangxi. Since she has said that, I can't get it out of my head. It's true! She does.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com