tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316191265933534655.post2427100568217892649..comments2024-02-27T00:41:15.985-06:00Comments on AdoptionTalk: Urgent: Urge Senate to Redefine Human Trafficking to Include Illegal Adoptionmalindahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06233439015219192874noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316191265933534655.post-49513507445190554342011-10-12T00:58:19.252-05:002011-10-12T00:58:19.252-05:00I don't like the wording here, where it says t...I don't like the wording here, where it says the tactics of all traffickers are the same for all purposes. Having spent time in the developing world, there are plenty of adoption-related scenarios that I can imagine that could be defined as trafficking, but differ substantially from,say, certain sex trafficking scenarios. <br /><br />Let's say a woman brings a child to an orphanage for relinquishment, and they give her a bag a rice. Is that trafficking? Is it the same kind of trafficking as going into a slum looking for young girls and offering a father cash for his daughter and then re-selling the child to a brothel? Both scenarios I've described are horrible, but different people may interpret them differently. I've also been present in an orphanage in India when a poor woman came to the door to relinquish her child. She was turned away due to a legal ban on relinquishments. I've often wondered, what happened to the mother and baby? Did she dodge a bullet when she was turned away, that allowed her to actually raise her child? Or was she desperate enough to leave the baby in a dumpster later that day? Did she later sell the baby to someone, hoping that at least her child would get fed? No one supports trafficking, but I don't think this bill is going to do anything to combat it in adoption. The problems are more nuanced than that. working to eradicate the poverty that drives all kinds of trafficking is a better approach.Sharonhttp://www.whateverthingsaretrue.typepad.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316191265933534655.post-1944242840238748072011-10-11T15:50:35.173-05:002011-10-11T15:50:35.173-05:00by not myby not myAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316191265933534655.post-69956239821951345632011-10-11T15:49:41.505-05:002011-10-11T15:49:41.505-05:00Anonymous,
Ethica IS lobbying for stricter conseq...Anonymous,<br /><br />Ethica IS lobbying for stricter consequences for trafficking - my including it as part of the definition of trafficking - so there is actually a law being broken. Surely you can agree with that - that when a child is trafficked for adoption it should be just as illegal as when a child is trafficked for the sex trade etc?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316191265933534655.post-62774288225919024462011-10-11T15:18:07.022-05:002011-10-11T15:18:07.022-05:00Seems it would be very difficult to define illegal...Seems it would be very difficult to define illegal adoption, for the sake of the child. Especially since birth parents can then say they were never planning on it....one person's word against another's. At that point, (as it stands now) the case would most likely go to court, to determine if the adoption was illegal or not....I don't see that part of it changing with a broader definition of "illegal adoption". I just see that it would make it easier for the birth parents to change their minds after the fact, and then using the "illegal adoption" card to trump anything else (Domestic as well). <br />Perhaps if Ethica were lobbying to have stricter consequences if found guilty, it might be a cause worth supporting. But to just have a definition of illegal adoption and to have illegal adoption included in laws against it...doesnt the term "Illegal Adoption" mean just that?? After all, the word illegal is right there in the term itself. <br />And I tend to agree with the first Anon....after looking over Ethica's pages, it seems they are against adoption in general, in particular, international adoption.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316191265933534655.post-21368249993978517392011-10-11T14:46:04.368-05:002011-10-11T14:46:04.368-05:00If I thought Ethical was anything but anti-adoptio...If I thought Ethical was anything but anti-adoption I would support this. But I'm sorry I don't trust Ethica as all their recent reports of adoption trafficking refer to cases years ago (some of the photos appear doctored and some of the interviewed people are paid). There are many other organizations to support instead. Lastly, the cases are FEW and from YEARS ago so I cannot support this change. As an FYI, if UNICEF, Pear and Ethical could show a little support or objective/supportive reporting on adoption perhaps more support would come from PAP's and AP's. That goes for you as well - I used to love your blog but it's so one sided these days. Children who are abandoned and living in an institution deserve a loving family.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-316191265933534655.post-6430312206536814632011-10-11T14:33:36.100-05:002011-10-11T14:33:36.100-05:00Thanks so much for posting this for Ethica! We app...Thanks so much for posting this for Ethica! We appreciate your support in this!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com